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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirk,

Your points are spot on.  I don&#039;t believe you can use active funds and walk away. If you use active funds you need:
a. some mechanism that will help you find those performing better than 80% (at least) of the others
b. a method that re-examines your holdings every so often.  I do it monthly.

I look at short-term performance (a year, 9 months, 6 months, 3 months and rank the universe of funds that are in a similar risk category.  I then select the top performers.  Then, I re-run the process monthly.

This is still no guarantee that it will outperform buy and hold - I admit it.  

Again, it&#039;s a question of what you want out of your investing and what you are willing to accept from it as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk,</p>
<p>Your points are spot on.  I don&#8217;t believe you can use active funds and walk away. If you use active funds you need:<br />
a. some mechanism that will help you find those performing better than 80% (at least) of the others<br />
b. a method that re-examines your holdings every so often.  I do it monthly.</p>
<p>I look at short-term performance (a year, 9 months, 6 months, 3 months and rank the universe of funds that are in a similar risk category.  I then select the top performers.  Then, I re-run the process monthly.</p>
<p>This is still no guarantee that it will outperform buy and hold &#8211; I admit it.  </p>
<p>Again, it&#8217;s a question of what you want out of your investing and what you are willing to accept from it as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Kinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Kinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal,

Solid post, but I am not sure that active funds are topping most index based vehicles right now. In fact, the number over 2008 and 2009 from what I have seen has been 90% fail to top the index.

And, it isn&#039;t the same 10% or 20% that beat the market each year so it is very difficult to find the top managers. Bill Miller is a great example. So how do you pick the right managers? This is just as difficult as picking the right stocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal,</p>
<p>Solid post, but I am not sure that active funds are topping most index based vehicles right now. In fact, the number over 2008 and 2009 from what I have seen has been 90% fail to top the index.</p>
<p>And, it isn&#8217;t the same 10% or 20% that beat the market each year so it is very difficult to find the top managers. Bill Miller is a great example. So how do you pick the right managers? This is just as difficult as picking the right stocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ,

Thanks.  Yes...you bring up a great point and one that did not occur to me.  Lots of blogs offer personal experience and there really is a place for that.  But I think readers can gain in a different way by having an objective view point - even if they disagree.

Thanks Pal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ,</p>
<p>Thanks.  Yes&#8230;you bring up a great point and one that did not occur to me.  Lots of blogs offer personal experience and there really is a place for that.  But I think readers can gain in a different way by having an objective view point &#8211; even if they disagree.</p>
<p>Thanks Pal.</p>
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		<title>By: My Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neal, 

Great Post.  I think there is a more important you indirectly bring up (please tell me if I am wrong).  

Comparing this post with the other 3,000 posts out there on investing from blogs like your&#039;s and mine - highlights the difference between professionals (you!) and those that want to control their own investments (most other blogs).  

Both have their place, but there is a reason you get paid by clients to invest and it has nothing to do with your&#039;s and the financial industries&#039; jedi mind tricks.  

Great post buddy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal, </p>
<p>Great Post.  I think there is a more important you indirectly bring up (please tell me if I am wrong).  </p>
<p>Comparing this post with the other 3,000 posts out there on investing from blogs like your&#8217;s and mine &#8211; highlights the difference between professionals (you!) and those that want to control their own investments (most other blogs).  </p>
<p>Both have their place, but there is a reason you get paid by clients to invest and it has nothing to do with your&#8217;s and the financial industries&#8217; jedi mind tricks.  </p>
<p>Great post buddy!</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

Good points.  I would never suggest that anyone use an active strategy with loaded funds. 

To your point about the fleeting nature of market gains - again you are right.  Active funds will likely get slammed more as the market pulls back.  Also, as I tried to point out, probably not strongly enough, an active strategy could - and will - under perform for extended periods of time.  If you look at the post on timing (linked) you&#039;ll see an example of a strategy that goes back decades.  While there were long periods of under performance, overall the strategy did an excellent job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>Good points.  I would never suggest that anyone use an active strategy with loaded funds. </p>
<p>To your point about the fleeting nature of market gains &#8211; again you are right.  Active funds will likely get slammed more as the market pulls back.  Also, as I tried to point out, probably not strongly enough, an active strategy could &#8211; and will &#8211; under perform for extended periods of time.  If you look at the post on timing (linked) you&#8217;ll see an example of a strategy that goes back decades.  While there were long periods of under performance, overall the strategy did an excellent job.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray @ Financial Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray @ Financial Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Neal, however I don&#039;t think I am still convinced of purchasing Mutual Funds over ETFs. When you purchase Mutual funds you will either pay a hefty upfront commission fee (3-6%) or be on a DSC for 6 years or longer, plus over time you are paying hefty MER&#039;s around 2.3%. Some funds maybe beating the index now that we have had a little rally, but when there is a pull back these funds get hit harder than the index, there is no real way of knowing which fund will beat others in advance only in hindsight do we know this. with ETFs we know that if we have a diversified portfolio and a proper asset allocation we will at least perform as good as our benchmark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Neal, however I don&#8217;t think I am still convinced of purchasing Mutual Funds over ETFs. When you purchase Mutual funds you will either pay a hefty upfront commission fee (3-6%) or be on a DSC for 6 years or longer, plus over time you are paying hefty MER&#8217;s around 2.3%. Some funds maybe beating the index now that we have had a little rally, but when there is a pull back these funds get hit harder than the index, there is no real way of knowing which fund will beat others in advance only in hindsight do we know this. with ETFs we know that if we have a diversified portfolio and a proper asset allocation we will at least perform as good as our benchmark.</p>
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