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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree she should necessarily leave the relationship over this - she did the first &#039;wrong&#039;.

That said, I agree Jim&#039;s response seems over the top - not the being angry, but the over-drama and in particular the communication shutdown.

It&#039;s impossible to fix anything when people don&#039;t communicate, unless they&#039;re both the type who can genuinely forget and not keep score, and in my experience few are!

On that note, they must accept neither will ever think the other was right over the laptop.

The key as you say Neal is to set the shared rules so that next time there&#039;s less ambiguity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree she should necessarily leave the relationship over this &#8211; she did the first &#8216;wrong&#8217;.</p>
<p>That said, I agree Jim&#8217;s response seems over the top &#8211; not the being angry, but the over-drama and in particular the communication shutdown.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible to fix anything when people don&#8217;t communicate, unless they&#8217;re both the type who can genuinely forget and not keep score, and in my experience few are!</p>
<p>On that note, they must accept neither will ever think the other was right over the laptop.</p>
<p>The key as you say Neal is to set the shared rules so that next time there&#8217;s less ambiguity.</p>
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		<title>By: Big D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He should dump her and fast. Just another female parasite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should dump her and fast. Just another female parasite.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with what appears to be the concensus opinion here.  Jim is perfectly justified in his response.  If she didn&#039;t realize that spending that kind of money is now a collective decision, she does now!  Big spending stereotypical woman... who was it above that said a leopard never changes it&#039;s spots?  Maybe it&#039;s Jim that should be running for the hills....


OR 

They could both act like adults and find a solution.  Too many people think marriage is just until it becomes inconvenient instead of until death these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with what appears to be the concensus opinion here.  Jim is perfectly justified in his response.  If she didn&#8217;t realize that spending that kind of money is now a collective decision, she does now!  Big spending stereotypical woman&#8230; who was it above that said a leopard never changes it&#8217;s spots?  Maybe it&#8217;s Jim that should be running for the hills&#8230;.</p>
<p>OR </p>
<p>They could both act like adults and find a solution.  Too many people think marriage is just until it becomes inconvenient instead of until death these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jim&#039;s anger is most definitely out of proportion. I could understand his continuing to harp on the subject if she refused to take it back. But the fact that he&#039;s offering her no out to his fury is a pretty bad sign.

I think at the very least, they need to get some counseling. A therapist or religious leader could help them set better boundaries about money and spending. It&#039;s a hard transition to make, going for &quot;my money&quot; to &quot;our money.&quot; 

That said, I think some of the people have it right that he obviously feels horribly threatened. Hence the line about not being important anymore. That&#039;s a pretty loaded statement for a single purchase. Especially one that she&#039;s offered to take back.

A lot of abuse starts with control issues and develops further. They alienate you from friends, control the money (so you can&#039;t really leave) and so on. 

That probably sounds like an over-reaction to most people. But there are a few red flags here that worry me. 

First, he&#039;s freaking out and not letting this thing go. That&#039;s a pretty big purchase to be made without consulting your spouse. But she apparently didn&#039;t go into debt for it, so he needs to figure out how to get over it. The fact that he shows no signs of doing so? Bad juju.

What&#039;s worse, when she offered to rectify the situation by returning the thing, he got angry. I could understand that the return won&#039;t fix everything. But his anger tells her it would be worse to return it. 

So, let&#039;s review: He is holding something over her head to make her feel terrible and like a bad person. He shows no signs of stopping this behavior. He gets angry when she tries to resolve the problem (because that would be once again, taking away his control). And he refuses to even talk about finance anymore with her. 

These are huge warning signs that he can&#039;t handle not having complete power over situations. Even if he doesn&#039;t become verbally and emotionally abusive -- and, frankly, he&#039;s already about halfway there if he doesn&#039;t drop this thing soon -- making a life with someone with power issues is a very hard road to travel.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jim&#8217;s anger is most definitely out of proportion. I could understand his continuing to harp on the subject if she refused to take it back. But the fact that he&#8217;s offering her no out to his fury is a pretty bad sign.</p>
<p>I think at the very least, they need to get some counseling. A therapist or religious leader could help them set better boundaries about money and spending. It&#8217;s a hard transition to make, going for &#8220;my money&#8221; to &#8220;our money.&#8221; </p>
<p>That said, I think some of the people have it right that he obviously feels horribly threatened. Hence the line about not being important anymore. That&#8217;s a pretty loaded statement for a single purchase. Especially one that she&#8217;s offered to take back.</p>
<p>A lot of abuse starts with control issues and develops further. They alienate you from friends, control the money (so you can&#8217;t really leave) and so on. </p>
<p>That probably sounds like an over-reaction to most people. But there are a few red flags here that worry me. </p>
<p>First, he&#8217;s freaking out and not letting this thing go. That&#8217;s a pretty big purchase to be made without consulting your spouse. But she apparently didn&#8217;t go into debt for it, so he needs to figure out how to get over it. The fact that he shows no signs of doing so? Bad juju.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse, when she offered to rectify the situation by returning the thing, he got angry. I could understand that the return won&#8217;t fix everything. But his anger tells her it would be worse to return it. </p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s review: He is holding something over her head to make her feel terrible and like a bad person. He shows no signs of stopping this behavior. He gets angry when she tries to resolve the problem (because that would be once again, taking away his control). And he refuses to even talk about finance anymore with her. </p>
<p>These are huge warning signs that he can&#8217;t handle not having complete power over situations. Even if he doesn&#8217;t become verbally and emotionally abusive &#8212; and, frankly, he&#8217;s already about halfway there if he doesn&#8217;t drop this thing soon &#8212; making a life with someone with power issues is a very hard road to travel.<br />
.-= Abigail&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://ipickuppennies.blogspot.com/2010/01/sleep-and-personal-finance.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IPickUpPennies+%28I+pick+up+pennies%29" rel="nofollow">Sleep and personal finance</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam,

I would agree.  Jim obviously has a problem.  Some trauma.  Perhaps Karin knew about this and was insensitive.  We don&#039;t have all the info but you make a good point.....as always.
.-= Neal&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-to-fix-a-marriage-after-financial-infidelity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How To Fix a Marriage After Financial Infidelity&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam,</p>
<p>I would agree.  Jim obviously has a problem.  Some trauma.  Perhaps Karin knew about this and was insensitive.  We don&#8217;t have all the info but you make a good point&#8230;..as always.<br />
.-= Neal&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-to-fix-a-marriage-after-financial-infidelity/" rel="nofollow">How To Fix a Marriage After Financial Infidelity</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: FinanciallySmart</title>
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		<dc:creator>FinanciallySmart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you have outlined is what I am in agreement with but there is another thing which is fear. He need to overcome that fear which is preventing him from communicating properly. Apparently there were a bad financially event in his life before and until he discuss it he will always be like this. Karin should also remember that even though she is independent and it is her money to have a good marriage she should plan with her husband. If they were doing this at the courting stage then what transpired wouldn&#039;t have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you have outlined is what I am in agreement with but there is another thing which is fear. He need to overcome that fear which is preventing him from communicating properly. Apparently there were a bad financially event in his life before and until he discuss it he will always be like this. Karin should also remember that even though she is independent and it is her money to have a good marriage she should plan with her husband. If they were doing this at the courting stage then what transpired wouldn&#8217;t have.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first husband went out and bought a vehicle without discussing it with me first.  We split up soon after.  We didn&#039;t have money to pay the payments or the insurance.  This was unforgivable to me.  It was repossessed a couple months later.  He never made a single payment on it.  My present husband and I have a rule - neither one of us can spend over $100 on anything without consulting the other.  This has worked out great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first husband went out and bought a vehicle without discussing it with me first.  We split up soon after.  We didn&#8217;t have money to pay the payments or the insurance.  This was unforgivable to me.  It was repossessed a couple months later.  He never made a single payment on it.  My present husband and I have a rule &#8211; neither one of us can spend over $100 on anything without consulting the other.  This has worked out great.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The husband is still a bully. When a spouse becomes afraid, there is a problem. Karin offered to take it back and that made him even more mad. Now that he continues to punish her with guilt, you are getting into an &quot;abusive&quot; situation. I speak from experience. There was no &quot;mal intent&quot; with the purchase of the computer and the husband is acting as if she robbed a bank. At this point Karin cannot do or say anything that will &quot;make it better&quot;. The problem lies with the way the husband communicates. Talk about it, resolve it, make a financial plan and then move on. Quit the guilt and crazy making posturing!
.-= Sharon&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-to-fix-a-marriage-after-financial-infidelity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How To Fix a Marriage After Financial Infidelity&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The husband is still a bully. When a spouse becomes afraid, there is a problem. Karin offered to take it back and that made him even more mad. Now that he continues to punish her with guilt, you are getting into an &#8220;abusive&#8221; situation. I speak from experience. There was no &#8220;mal intent&#8221; with the purchase of the computer and the husband is acting as if she robbed a bank. At this point Karin cannot do or say anything that will &#8220;make it better&#8221;. The problem lies with the way the husband communicates. Talk about it, resolve it, make a financial plan and then move on. Quit the guilt and crazy making posturing!<br />
.-= Sharon&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-to-fix-a-marriage-after-financial-infidelity/" rel="nofollow">How To Fix a Marriage After Financial Infidelity</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does her money mean? They are married.  I was quickly made aware of this fact when I got married lol 

The only way I would agree with her is if they had the joint account/separate account situation:

http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/the-wife-and-i-finally-implement-a-plan/

But even then I think I would be upset if The Wife used her separate money to drop money on such a big purchase without at least discussing it.  AND I AM POSITIVE SHE WOULD BE PISSED AT ME lol
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does her money mean? They are married.  I was quickly made aware of this fact when I got married lol </p>
<p>The only way I would agree with her is if they had the joint account/separate account situation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/the-wife-and-i-finally-implement-a-plan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/the-wife-and-i-finally-implement-a-plan/</a></p>
<p>But even then I think I would be upset if The Wife used her separate money to drop money on such a big purchase without at least discussing it.  AND I AM POSITIVE SHE WOULD BE PISSED AT ME lol<br />
.-= Evan&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/basics-personal-finance-hard-doesnt-matter-46000-460000/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+myjourneytomillions%2Ffeed+%28My+Journey+to+Millions%29" rel="nofollow">The Basics of Personal Finance are Not Hard It Doesn’t Matter if you Make $46,000 or $460,000</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal@Wealth Pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal@Wealth Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,
Even though it was her own money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,<br />
Even though it was her own money?</p>
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