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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need help trying to put myself back on track. I am a 59 year old single Mom with 2 kids still in the house (17 and 14). My husband left me almost 10 years ago and ran out on our mortgage and all other debt. He made almost 12x my salary. My attorney advised me to keep up with the mortgage on the house ($12k month + $4k month taxes) while we were trying to get divorced. I liquidated all my saving and retirement to do so. After spending 3 years and almost $350k in attorney fees, I finally just walked away. My ex was an attorney and told me that he would never give me anything and would just keep running legal bills up till I settled and he did. The house was sold in a short sale and by that time I had lost my job in CA. We lived on credit cards for more than a year before I found work again. Now I have really poor credit, no savings, no retirement, over $200k in credit card bill and owe the IRS over $30k in back taxes as a result of the short sale. I make a little over $200k, but have no money left after paying the credit card bills and IRS. I don&#039;t own a home and am unable to save anything or put up any retirement. With the interest on most of the cards over 29% (and they have refused to lower them), I will be in this state for the next 15-20 years unless I can find a solution. Any suggestions to get me out of this quicker and give me a way to save for retirement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need help trying to put myself back on track. I am a 59 year old single Mom with 2 kids still in the house (17 and 14). My husband left me almost 10 years ago and ran out on our mortgage and all other debt. He made almost 12x my salary. My attorney advised me to keep up with the mortgage on the house ($12k month + $4k month taxes) while we were trying to get divorced. I liquidated all my saving and retirement to do so. After spending 3 years and almost $350k in attorney fees, I finally just walked away. My ex was an attorney and told me that he would never give me anything and would just keep running legal bills up till I settled and he did. The house was sold in a short sale and by that time I had lost my job in CA. We lived on credit cards for more than a year before I found work again. Now I have really poor credit, no savings, no retirement, over $200k in credit card bill and owe the IRS over $30k in back taxes as a result of the short sale. I make a little over $200k, but have no money left after paying the credit card bills and IRS. I don&#8217;t own a home and am unable to save anything or put up any retirement. With the interest on most of the cards over 29% (and they have refused to lower them), I will be in this state for the next 15-20 years unless I can find a solution. Any suggestions to get me out of this quicker and give me a way to save for retirement?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Dodge</title>
		<link>http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-much-money-you-need-to-retire/#comment-13045</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without knowing your set of circumstances (I.e. Cost of living in your area compared to cost of living in other areas of the nation and the health condition of both you and your spouse), chances are, this will be enough to have a relatively comfortable retirement, though not with much extras.  Now this is making the assumption that your pension plan will keep up with inflation and increased costs of increased standards of living put onto households by society and government over your retirement years.

Such example of increased costs of increased standards of living:

Look at the additional safety requirements put onto households, not only in the car, but also in the house, which cost extra money to pay for such things.  While such things do help save lives and cuts down on injuries, it&#039;s still an overall increased cost (especially initial start up costs).

Look at the additional things we about need to get, cell phones (put on by society), a computer at home with internet connection (put on by society for doing various things).  Some people apply the argument that such items as these help save on total costs.  If you get such items for business purposes, I can see such argument fitting, but for getting for within your personal home, in most cases, I don&#039;t see such argument as being advantageous.  That is, unless you have a substantial amount of money to manage which by managing such money, you either save or increase your investments by at least that amount of money as what it cost you to get the system and internet, then it won&#039;t be of any real savings to you.

In my case, I do use the computer obviously, which I use Excel for my household&#039;s finances, which in some respect did save me a lot of money early on.  But then how I use Excel, most people wouldn&#039;t even dare to attempt to set it up as most people only use computers like how they use a car where as I&#039;m like the software mechanic with an Accounting education to the system as a mechanic is to a car at the shop.  90% to 95% of the software stuff including programming, databases, spreadsheets and what not, I learned on my own.  Many say I&#039;m gifted in that regards cause of how quick I pick up on the software side of computers.  For me, I say it&#039;s 50% gifted (me being think logically is the part gifted to me) and 50% earned. My learning disability primarily in language forced me to learn the art of memorization to conquer English, which how I ended up learning English via logics and memorization is how most people in programming end up learning programming languages.  As a result of that, once I was introduced to computers in the 7th grade, I just took off like nothing.

Anyhow, just be sure you have your bases covered including covering for inflation and increased costs from increased standards of living over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without knowing your set of circumstances (I.e. Cost of living in your area compared to cost of living in other areas of the nation and the health condition of both you and your spouse), chances are, this will be enough to have a relatively comfortable retirement, though not with much extras.  Now this is making the assumption that your pension plan will keep up with inflation and increased costs of increased standards of living put onto households by society and government over your retirement years.</p>
<p>Such example of increased costs of increased standards of living:</p>
<p>Look at the additional safety requirements put onto households, not only in the car, but also in the house, which cost extra money to pay for such things.  While such things do help save lives and cuts down on injuries, it&#8217;s still an overall increased cost (especially initial start up costs).</p>
<p>Look at the additional things we about need to get, cell phones (put on by society), a computer at home with internet connection (put on by society for doing various things).  Some people apply the argument that such items as these help save on total costs.  If you get such items for business purposes, I can see such argument fitting, but for getting for within your personal home, in most cases, I don&#8217;t see such argument as being advantageous.  That is, unless you have a substantial amount of money to manage which by managing such money, you either save or increase your investments by at least that amount of money as what it cost you to get the system and internet, then it won&#8217;t be of any real savings to you.</p>
<p>In my case, I do use the computer obviously, which I use Excel for my household&#8217;s finances, which in some respect did save me a lot of money early on.  But then how I use Excel, most people wouldn&#8217;t even dare to attempt to set it up as most people only use computers like how they use a car where as I&#8217;m like the software mechanic with an Accounting education to the system as a mechanic is to a car at the shop.  90% to 95% of the software stuff including programming, databases, spreadsheets and what not, I learned on my own.  Many say I&#8217;m gifted in that regards cause of how quick I pick up on the software side of computers.  For me, I say it&#8217;s 50% gifted (me being think logically is the part gifted to me) and 50% earned. My learning disability primarily in language forced me to learn the art of memorization to conquer English, which how I ended up learning English via logics and memorization is how most people in programming end up learning programming languages.  As a result of that, once I was introduced to computers in the 7th grade, I just took off like nothing.</p>
<p>Anyhow, just be sure you have your bases covered including covering for inflation and increased costs from increased standards of living over time.</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL AYZIN</title>
		<link>http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-much-money-you-need-to-retire/#comment-13039</link>
		<dc:creator>MICHAEL AYZIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;M 62 AND HAVE  PLANS  TO RETIRE AT 63-64.HOSE IS PAID  OFF.MY PENSION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 24000.MY SS.WILL BE ABOUT  12000 A YEAR.MY WIFE  WILL GET ABOUT  6000 A YEAR IN SS.WILL IT BE COMFORTABLE FOR US...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;M 62 AND HAVE  PLANS  TO RETIRE AT 63-64.HOSE IS PAID  OFF.MY PENSION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 24000.MY SS.WILL BE ABOUT  12000 A YEAR.MY WIFE  WILL GET ABOUT  6000 A YEAR IN SS.WILL IT BE COMFORTABLE FOR US&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Frankle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Frankle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brenda, if you invest the $400k correctly, you should be able to draw 4% - $16k/year.  Take that, plus the ssi and compare it to what you spend now.  Check out my post.  http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-much-money-you-need-to-retire/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenda, if you invest the $400k correctly, you should be able to draw 4% &#8211; $16k/year.  Take that, plus the ssi and compare it to what you spend now.  Check out my post.  <a href="http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-much-money-you-need-to-retire/" rel="nofollow">http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-much-money-you-need-to-retire/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-much-money-you-need-to-retire/#comment-12758</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 60, want to retire at 65, 66 if I have to! Will 400K, along with SS, and no bills be enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 60, want to retire at 65, 66 if I have to! Will 400K, along with SS, and no bills be enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Frankle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Frankle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is your second mortgage increasing?  Are you spending too much?  How much does it cost you to live?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is your second mortgage increasing?  Are you spending too much?  How much does it cost you to live?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Munson</title>
		<link>http://wealthpilgrim.com/how-much-money-you-need-to-retire/#comment-12746</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Munson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 59 years old, do not own my home but still owe 130,000 on a and a second mortgage of 26,000. I could retire with a pension of 2975.00 /month plus at 62 a SS of 1437/ month for a total of 4167./month. In three years when I am 62 I will owe 107,000 on my house and possible have more debt on my second. I have 45,000 in my 401k. Options stay working to 66 and take a 80000 dollars buy out on my pension reducing my pension by 500/ month, putting this on my house. Sell my house which is worth 300,000 and downsize to a townhouse. Not a lot of options, looking for ideas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 59 years old, do not own my home but still owe 130,000 on a and a second mortgage of 26,000. I could retire with a pension of 2975.00 /month plus at 62 a SS of 1437/ month for a total of 4167./month. In three years when I am 62 I will owe 107,000 on my house and possible have more debt on my second. I have 45,000 in my 401k. Options stay working to 66 and take a 80000 dollars buy out on my pension reducing my pension by 500/ month, putting this on my house. Sell my house which is worth 300,000 and downsize to a townhouse. Not a lot of options, looking for ideas!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Sounds like you are well on your way there.  By the looks of it, you should be able to retire within the next 10 years.  I would just alert you to be careful on the assumption of that $25,000 per year income from your business as residual income.  While the odds looks good, also look at it from a worst case scenario and what&#039;s the odd of that happening over time.

You mentioning that you want to retire with a minimal of $90,000 (today&#039;s money) annually is similar to what I want to be doing when I retire as well.

Based on my self study, I came to a net amount of retirement funds of about $4.5 million (After Tax Based) to retire on.  Now that is taking into account of a lot of different retirement risk factors, which the big ones I took into account to get to this amount are:

Market Risk Factors (Could lose half the value early on depending on where in the market cycle it currently is at when one retires)

Inflation and Taxation (the drag effect of such funds as funds has to be able to keep up with inflation net of taxes, thus one such reason why I still say 80% in equity with 20% in Bonds and Money Market.  One caveat to this rule.  While you move funds from the equity to the Bonds/MM to get the Bonds/MM back up to the 20% mark, don&#039;t move funds from the Bonds/MM to equity to get equity back up to the 80% mark.  During the market down times, you withdraw from this Bonds/MM part as that serves as your protection in most cases.  20% can be for up to 10 years if you think about it with the withdrawal rate at 2% annually.)

Longevity (what if both of you end up living a very long time, like into your hundreds)

Health Factor (what if you both or just one of you end up getting a major medical issue to the point both or one of you end up living in a nursing home for a period of 10 years like what happened with my grandmother with her having Alzheimer&#039;s Disease prior to her passing away.  As such, this will cause a jump in the retirement funds needed to cover such expense).

and to be able to withdraw just 2% of your retirement funds per year while meeting the RMD rules, I came to conclusion 60% of the funds needs to be in a ROTH IRA type fund at the time of retirement and only withdraw from tax deferred retirement funds.  Of course if you have other ROTH accounts like ROTH 401(k) plan, then you have take those values into account in regards to the RMD rules while ROTH IRAs are exempt from RMD rules as far as the owner itself having to withdraw from the account.  The only time when RMD rules come into play with ROTH IRAs is when it goes through inheritances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Sounds like you are well on your way there.  By the looks of it, you should be able to retire within the next 10 years.  I would just alert you to be careful on the assumption of that $25,000 per year income from your business as residual income.  While the odds looks good, also look at it from a worst case scenario and what&#8217;s the odd of that happening over time.</p>
<p>You mentioning that you want to retire with a minimal of $90,000 (today&#8217;s money) annually is similar to what I want to be doing when I retire as well.</p>
<p>Based on my self study, I came to a net amount of retirement funds of about $4.5 million (After Tax Based) to retire on.  Now that is taking into account of a lot of different retirement risk factors, which the big ones I took into account to get to this amount are:</p>
<p>Market Risk Factors (Could lose half the value early on depending on where in the market cycle it currently is at when one retires)</p>
<p>Inflation and Taxation (the drag effect of such funds as funds has to be able to keep up with inflation net of taxes, thus one such reason why I still say 80% in equity with 20% in Bonds and Money Market.  One caveat to this rule.  While you move funds from the equity to the Bonds/MM to get the Bonds/MM back up to the 20% mark, don&#8217;t move funds from the Bonds/MM to equity to get equity back up to the 80% mark.  During the market down times, you withdraw from this Bonds/MM part as that serves as your protection in most cases.  20% can be for up to 10 years if you think about it with the withdrawal rate at 2% annually.)</p>
<p>Longevity (what if both of you end up living a very long time, like into your hundreds)</p>
<p>Health Factor (what if you both or just one of you end up getting a major medical issue to the point both or one of you end up living in a nursing home for a period of 10 years like what happened with my grandmother with her having Alzheimer&#8217;s Disease prior to her passing away.  As such, this will cause a jump in the retirement funds needed to cover such expense).</p>
<p>and to be able to withdraw just 2% of your retirement funds per year while meeting the RMD rules, I came to conclusion 60% of the funds needs to be in a ROTH IRA type fund at the time of retirement and only withdraw from tax deferred retirement funds.  Of course if you have other ROTH accounts like ROTH 401(k) plan, then you have take those values into account in regards to the RMD rules while ROTH IRAs are exempt from RMD rules as far as the owner itself having to withdraw from the account.  The only time when RMD rules come into play with ROTH IRAs is when it goes through inheritances.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear of a lot of economists say 4% as a good rule of thumb for withdrawing.  However, one thing I learned from when I did my self study on retirement and risk factors (both retirement years and employment years), just on account of retirement risk factors (given employment risk factors would not longer be at play once in retirement), I come to learn to have a multiple of 50 of annual wages saved up with only withdrawing 2% annually.

Why do I say 2% instead of 4%?  First, what if you end up retiring when the market is at it&#039;s peak, then it goes into a major bear market?  Yes, it could lose 90% of the value as it did with the onslaught of the great depression, but more likely the case, it could very well lose 50% of the value.  Now think about how much harder it will for that set of funds to go back up when you are withdrawing money at the low values.  When it&#039;s at the low values, you may end up having to withdraw 4%, but hopefully, that would only be mid term at most (no more than 5 years, though in most cases, maybe more like 2 or 3 years such as Oct 2000 - Oct 2002 bear market).  Otherwise, once it&#039;s no longer at the low post, then go back to the 2% withdrawal.  This will do 2 things.  First, it allows the funds to build up faster than spending down in most cases, so as you can keep up with inflation and not get held back by the income tax effect (if the money is pre-tax based).  However, there is that RMD rule that make this objective harder to meet, but there is a way around it for most people.  However, due to the nature of the rules and everything, it&#039;s important to start planning for it long before you get to the higher income ranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear of a lot of economists say 4% as a good rule of thumb for withdrawing.  However, one thing I learned from when I did my self study on retirement and risk factors (both retirement years and employment years), just on account of retirement risk factors (given employment risk factors would not longer be at play once in retirement), I come to learn to have a multiple of 50 of annual wages saved up with only withdrawing 2% annually.</p>
<p>Why do I say 2% instead of 4%?  First, what if you end up retiring when the market is at it&#8217;s peak, then it goes into a major bear market?  Yes, it could lose 90% of the value as it did with the onslaught of the great depression, but more likely the case, it could very well lose 50% of the value.  Now think about how much harder it will for that set of funds to go back up when you are withdrawing money at the low values.  When it&#8217;s at the low values, you may end up having to withdraw 4%, but hopefully, that would only be mid term at most (no more than 5 years, though in most cases, maybe more like 2 or 3 years such as Oct 2000 &#8211; Oct 2002 bear market).  Otherwise, once it&#8217;s no longer at the low post, then go back to the 2% withdrawal.  This will do 2 things.  First, it allows the funds to build up faster than spending down in most cases, so as you can keep up with inflation and not get held back by the income tax effect (if the money is pre-tax based).  However, there is that RMD rule that make this objective harder to meet, but there is a way around it for most people.  However, due to the nature of the rules and everything, it&#8217;s important to start planning for it long before you get to the higher income ranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Frankle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Frankle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

As a rule of thumb, you should count on a 4% to 5% withdrawal from your assets.  So $1.8 million should generate $70k to $90k.  That, plus the $25k and SSI looks good for &quot;normal&quot; retirement age.  But is your goal to retire now?  56 is pretty young...lots of time for inflation to whack you pretty hard.  What is your main goal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>As a rule of thumb, you should count on a 4% to 5% withdrawal from your assets.  So $1.8 million should generate $70k to $90k.  That, plus the $25k and SSI looks good for &#8220;normal&#8221; retirement age.  But is your goal to retire now?  56 is pretty young&#8230;lots of time for inflation to whack you pretty hard.  What is your main goal?</p>
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