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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see Danielle is out there fighting the good fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see Danielle is out there fighting the good fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle G. Van Ess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle G. Van Ess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great discussion going on here!  When I first switched practice areas to estate planning, I actually had other, more seasoned estate planning attorneys try to mentor me by saying that the money in estate planning practice is to be made in probate.  As I understand it, their approach is to write a basic Will now and wait for the big fees when they take it to the Massachusetts Probate and Family Court later.  The older or sicker the client, the better then!  

I fundamentally disagree with that philosophy.  I view my job as my clients&#039; attorney and counselor at law, to help them fully understand all their options and choose how to create an estate plan with which they feel most comfortable to provide for and protect their families.  Moreover, I believe it&#039;s critically important for young, healthy people to plan *now* while they can do so best.  Clients who engage a lawyer when their families are just starting out can work with that lawyer throughout their lifetimes to help create and grow their wealth reviewing and updating the plan as their families change and grow too.

Lately, with the challenging economic circumstances most people are currently facing, I have heard a lot of initial resistance to spending money *now* to create solid estate plans.  In my opinion, that is like playing Russian Roulette.  Sure, you can get lucky 5 out of 6 times and not need your estate plan to work as best as possible, but what about that 6th time?  Personally, I&#039;d rather be safe than sorry, especially for my own young children. That means spending a little more now to avoid depriving your children a whole lot more later.  Or, to use that old but apt expression, don&#039;t be &quot;penny wise and pound foolish.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great discussion going on here!  When I first switched practice areas to estate planning, I actually had other, more seasoned estate planning attorneys try to mentor me by saying that the money in estate planning practice is to be made in probate.  As I understand it, their approach is to write a basic Will now and wait for the big fees when they take it to the Massachusetts Probate and Family Court later.  The older or sicker the client, the better then!  </p>
<p>I fundamentally disagree with that philosophy.  I view my job as my clients&#8217; attorney and counselor at law, to help them fully understand all their options and choose how to create an estate plan with which they feel most comfortable to provide for and protect their families.  Moreover, I believe it&#8217;s critically important for young, healthy people to plan *now* while they can do so best.  Clients who engage a lawyer when their families are just starting out can work with that lawyer throughout their lifetimes to help create and grow their wealth reviewing and updating the plan as their families change and grow too.</p>
<p>Lately, with the challenging economic circumstances most people are currently facing, I have heard a lot of initial resistance to spending money *now* to create solid estate plans.  In my opinion, that is like playing Russian Roulette.  Sure, you can get lucky 5 out of 6 times and not need your estate plan to work as best as possible, but what about that 6th time?  Personally, I&#8217;d rather be safe than sorry, especially for my own young children. That means spending a little more now to avoid depriving your children a whole lot more later.  Or, to use that old but apt expression, don&#8217;t be &#8220;penny wise and pound foolish.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Money Hacks Carnival - Otter Pop Editio &#124; StretchyDollar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Hacks Carnival - Otter Pop Editio &#124; StretchyDollar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alan,

I think the point you make is that the attorney doesn&#039;t set the fees - the court does.  I appreciate the clarification.  

I still think that the attorney owes the client an effort to try to reduce fees as much as possible and I know you agree.  That being the case, if an attorney does not present the trust when it&#039;s appropriate to do so, the client should find a different attorney - hopefully they&#039;ll come to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alan,</p>
<p>I think the point you make is that the attorney doesn&#8217;t set the fees &#8211; the court does.  I appreciate the clarification.  </p>
<p>I still think that the attorney owes the client an effort to try to reduce fees as much as possible and I know you agree.  That being the case, if an attorney does not present the trust when it&#8217;s appropriate to do so, the client should find a different attorney &#8211; hopefully they&#8217;ll come to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Neal, I read your newsletter and I think there needs to be some adjustment to your fact situation. First of all, I do many trusts, am a big believer in them. Keep in mind, however, that the legal fees for probate are based on the statute. 4% on the first $100,000 in value, 3% on the next $100,000 and 2 % on the next $800,000. The scale slides lower when dealing with the excess of $1,000,000. There could be additional legal fees for extraordinary duties, such as sales of real property, litigation, tax advice, but the Court regulates this and often finds that extras aren&#039;t warranted in light of the statutory fees. There are rare instances when a will is justified as the transferring vehicle: anticipated litigation, or when the testator doesn&#039;t have close relatives or friends that would suffer if extra expenses associated with probate were incurred. 
Once again, I agree with your conclusions but wanted to point out that some of the facts in your case were askew. Regards, 
Alan
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Neal, I read your newsletter and I think there needs to be some adjustment to your fact situation. First of all, I do many trusts, am a big believer in them. Keep in mind, however, that the legal fees for probate are based on the statute. 4% on the first $100,000 in value, 3% on the next $100,000 and 2 % on the next $800,000. The scale slides lower when dealing with the excess of $1,000,000. There could be additional legal fees for extraordinary duties, such as sales of real property, litigation, tax advice, but the Court regulates this and often finds that extras aren&#8217;t warranted in light of the statutory fees. There are rare instances when a will is justified as the transferring vehicle: anticipated litigation, or when the testator doesn&#8217;t have close relatives or friends that would suffer if extra expenses associated with probate were incurred.<br />
Once again, I agree with your conclusions but wanted to point out that some of the facts in your case were askew. Regards,<br />
Alan<br />
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 04:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate that very much.....and I&#039;m fascinated by your approach.  Just goes to show there is always another approach.  Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate that very much&#8230;..and I&#8217;m fascinated by your approach.  Just goes to show there is always another approach.  Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: My Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 02:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I am saying instead of a intervivos trust (during life) like a revocable living trust, you create the Credit Shelter Trust at death via a testamentary (created at death) trust.  

I am not saying your post was wrong, actually it is correct, and more comprehensive in nature than most attorneys can explain this stuff - I am just saying there are other options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I am saying instead of a intervivos trust (during life) like a revocable living trust, you create the Credit Shelter Trust at death via a testamentary (created at death) trust.  </p>
<p>I am not saying your post was wrong, actually it is correct, and more comprehensive in nature than most attorneys can explain this stuff &#8211; I am just saying there are other options.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Read your excellent post.  What you are saying is that a by-pass will can be used to pass the CSA and another will would be used to pass the amount over the CSA.  Is that correct?  And all this can be done w/out using any trust.....     What are the restrictions on the CSA will and who enforces it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Read your excellent post.  What you are saying is that a by-pass will can be used to pass the CSA and another will would be used to pass the amount over the CSA.  Is that correct?  And all this can be done w/out using any trust&#8230;..     What are the restrictions on the CSA will and who enforces it?</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://wealthpilgrim.com/2009/05/one-question-you-must-ask-before-hiring-an-estate-attorney/comment-page-1/#comment-639</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you My Journey but a few comments/questions.

a. how can a will &quot;safeguard&quot; the estate tax exclusion without using a trust? I&#039;ll look at your link.
b.  for the money attorney&#039;s charge, I think they should follow up to make sure instructions are followed.  They could have their paralegal follow up.  I mean. damn...they know the clients forget to do it all the time. It&#039;s like selling a car that you know is defective...right?  

Just my two cents.  Wealth Pilgrim is better with you in the boat!   Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you My Journey but a few comments/questions.</p>
<p>a. how can a will &#8220;safeguard&#8221; the estate tax exclusion without using a trust? I&#8217;ll look at your link.<br />
b.  for the money attorney&#8217;s charge, I think they should follow up to make sure instructions are followed.  They could have their paralegal follow up.  I mean. damn&#8230;they know the clients forget to do it all the time. It&#8217;s like selling a car that you know is defective&#8230;right?  </p>
<p>Just my two cents.  Wealth Pilgrim is better with you in the boat!   Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: My Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The A-B Set up that you speak of and I highlight here:

http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/tax-sensitive-will-aka-by-pass-will/

That set up is irrelevant of whether you are working with a trust or a will.  But you are 100% correct the A-B set up is a MUST for wealthier individuals, and you would be shocked about how many lawyers don&#039;t even understand it.  It should be noted that I have seen revocable trusts that were simple in nautre where all assets would pass to surviving spouse and then to children.  

Again, I really have to emphasize I am not against a Revocable Trust, I just felt the need to explain that it is not a cure all.  

I would make sure if we went this route that assets would be moved, I don&#039;t think its malpractice if an Attorney doesn&#039;t proactively move the assets into the trust.  Two main reasons, (1) brokerage accounts need people like you to help, an attorney is more or less worthless for those assets; and (2) Sometimes the relationship is transactional in nature and the Attorney warns and guides what to do...it then is in the client&#039;s court.  
 
Just some thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The A-B Set up that you speak of and I highlight here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/tax-sensitive-will-aka-by-pass-will/" rel="nofollow">http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/tax-sensitive-will-aka-by-pass-will/</a></p>
<p>That set up is irrelevant of whether you are working with a trust or a will.  But you are 100% correct the A-B set up is a MUST for wealthier individuals, and you would be shocked about how many lawyers don&#8217;t even understand it.  It should be noted that I have seen revocable trusts that were simple in nautre where all assets would pass to surviving spouse and then to children.  </p>
<p>Again, I really have to emphasize I am not against a Revocable Trust, I just felt the need to explain that it is not a cure all.  </p>
<p>I would make sure if we went this route that assets would be moved, I don&#8217;t think its malpractice if an Attorney doesn&#8217;t proactively move the assets into the trust.  Two main reasons, (1) brokerage accounts need people like you to help, an attorney is more or less worthless for those assets; and (2) Sometimes the relationship is transactional in nature and the Attorney warns and guides what to do&#8230;it then is in the client&#8217;s court.  </p>
<p>Just some thoughts.</p>
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